Before I forget, here's an image description:

SpongeBob pooped diapers meme
Patrick asking: How can we discuss and share ideas on the internet without centralized services like Facebook or Whatsapp?
SpongeBob:
- RSS
- ActivityPub
- XMPP and IRC
- Forums and Usenet
- Blogs
SpongeBob opens window and shows truck full of E-Mail

@koyuchan genuine question: how do I access Usenet in 2022? It seems like most people pay a subscription and it’s used for piracy (based btw) rather than actual talking.

I already have an internet connection, do I need to pay for Usenet too?

@Byte @koyuchan some crusty old sysadmin at your ISP might be running an NNTP server...

You might need to raise a fake, very confusing, jargon filled support ticket about email to get escilated far enough though

@EndlessMason @koyuchan At AT&T? This isn’t some university network, I don’t think there’s a crusty old sysadmin for me to even reach.

Plus they outsource support these days so I’d have to keep it going long enough to get it back to the US, and avoid them trying to bill me for something or send a tech out in the process.

Maybe I could find out who such a sysadmin would be locally and talk to them directly to see if they can help…

@Byte @koyuchan a bigger org just means the dude is better hidden ... It might be a big project, so maybe start a spreadsheet to keep track of clues etc

@koyuchan @EndlessMason so what, go down to my local AT&T office (not the store) and ask who their sysadmin is?

@koyuchan @EndlessMason also apparently they closed their NNTP servers in 2005. Is a sysadmin even going to have server space they can just use without permission?

@Byte @koyuchan they may have been able to save them or relocate them or keep them in a staff-only rack or something...

You never know

@Byte@kolektiva.social @koyuchan@koyu.space Usenet is not really used for discussion anymore. But the point is we could.

@Byte @koyuchan
@joel

Google tried the embrace-extend-extinguish with usenet but got distracted and wandered off. They have some access via google groups, but it's hard to use if you don't know the name of the group you want. Here are the Dr Who fanfic groups: groups.google.com/search?q=rec

This is not the best answer, but it could be a way to get a look at usenet before deciding to invest more.

@Byte @koyuchan i researched this a bit ago. there are a few free ones, e.g. aioe.org/ , eternal-september.org/
there even are some active groups in technical hierarchies :)

@koyuchan genuine lack of knowledge coming from me over here:

Is Usenet still a thing? Especially since I haven't heard of NNTP servers *anywhere* and I ran a completely isolated one for a joke (before my INN config broke and I decided the joke was over)

@tek_dmn It's still a thing but it's mainly there due to the older generation keeping it alive.
It, to a degree, is kinda like IRC: Still there but not as high profile as it used to be.

@koyuchan many internet users have deteriorated to such an extent that many of them probably don't even know or care how to use these

@koyuchan The common line which triggers me is people talking about fixing Facebook and Twitter, through appeals, legislation and gaffa tape.

@malin I'd rather say public people should do some activism around actual decentralised technology, but apparently saying decentralised means being a libtard for most people for some reason, because tHe BlOcKcHaIn exists

@dragnucs Matrix kinda sucks, I don't know, the whole thing seems to be tied around matrix.org which is slow as hell...interacting with someone over there feels like an eternity

@koyuchan I can't tell. I use it everyday to talk with friends and family. Maybe I just think this is the normal speed.

@koyuchan @dragnucs

#Matrix is a protocol, you are talking about an implementation, Synapse on matrix.org, that is slow because 1. Synapse started as a proof of concept and will be replaced by Dendrite and others 2. it has many users and very large rooms.

Matrix is de facto a decentralized database which is transparent with respect to the disappearance or reappearance of nodes, like many colonies of living beings whose borders are bland because they can unite and separate continuously, but maintains the consistency of the data and allows users to interact with it in a granular way with a sort of built-in Access Control Lists.

If you ask me, Matrix is the evolution of TCP/IP Internet in the direction of being more like biological systems. A totally different beast compared to SMTP, XMPP and ActivityPub.

@koyuchan #μTox is also very decentralized. It is for encrypted chat and audio:

Tox is a peer-to-peer, end-to-end encrypted, instant messaging protocol, with end-to-end encryption as its default and only mode.


GitHub - uTox/uTox: µTox the lightest and fluffiest Tox client

@roland I heard about it as well, never worked for me...probably the network effect

@koyuchan I wish they were nice to use. So, you know, people would actually want to use them. ActivityPub is probably the best in this regard.

@koyuchan The solution is of course not better protocols, but better clients. It's a strong disconnect in many nerds' minds that if only the protocol is good all the people will come. You need a strong ecosystem.

@joel "Usenet (/ˈjuːznɛt/) is a worldwide distributed discussion system available on computers. It was developed from the general-purpose Unix-to-Unix Copy (UUCP) dial-up network architecture. Tom Truscott and Jim Ellis conceived the idea in 1979, and it was established in 1980. Users read and post messages (called articles or posts, and collectively termed news) to one or more categories, known as newsgroups. Usenet resembles a bulletin board system (BBS) in many respects and is the precursor to Internet forums that became widely used. Discussions are threaded, as with web forums and BBSs, though posts are stored on the server sequentially."

@joel @koyuchan usenet? there's providers out there that will hook you up. mostly used for piracy now but some discussion pages still exist!

setting up an NNTP server is no fun though. they're all really old and don't have the polishing passes modern stuff does.

@koyuchan are you implying that all of those things are diapers full of baby scallop poop and stink? :]

@koyuchan I miss a lot when there weren’t social networks

@koyuchan Don't forget that the BitTorrent protocol is also a thing (yes, you can chat via BitTorrent)

@koyuchan 除了 rss 其余的都没怎么看懂。。。
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