@Myrrdin just so it gets boosted more frequently...it's a serious issue

@Myrrdin @koyu half the people i know here are in germany. i don’t know german, and a couple of them don’t either.

@Myrrdin @koyu dunno what PSA means

@LunaDragofelis telefonica and therefore o2, they're both in the same network afaik

@koyu You might be thinking of e-plus, who merged with Telefonica/O2 a few years ago, or Drillisch, who shares e-plus's network (and therefore now Telefonica). Vodafone is one of the three operators with their own network, the others being Tekekom and Telefonica (and formerly also e-plus).

@LunaDragofelis @koyu To make matters more fun Drillisch operates a bunch of weirdly specialized and scammy looking sub-brands, one of which I'm on

@LunaDragofelis @koyu ... They've won some 5G bands however, so they'll probably start operating on their own network in some areas in a while.
Bonus: They're a part of United Internet, which started out as 1&1 (and still operates that brand).

@Lazol bin mir nicht 100%ig sicher. Das müsste man nochmal nachschauen.

@hirojin not sure

@koyu @hirojin In the Vodafone app there are many opt-ins or opt-outs. I don't know if any of them is for location stuff, but they've all been on "off" for me.

@hermlon oof

@koyu
Bei Premium-SIM kann ich mich zwar mit Handynummer/Pin auf der Seite anmelden, dann hab ich aber keinen Abmelden-Button 😬
@hermlon

@lauteshirn @koyu @hermlon

Bei O2 lag das bei mir am mobilen Browser. Dort fehlte bei mir auch der Abmelden-Button. Ich habe de Prozedur nochmals mit Firefox auf dem Laptop gemacht, da ging es problemlos und der Button war da.

@Billie
Danke für den Tipp. Vielleicht liegts am Werbeblocker oder einem anderen Add-on.
@koyu @hermlon

@lauteshirn @koyu @hermlon
Ich hatte Ublock Origin auf dem Laptop an. Ich glaube, das lag wirklich am Browser. Ich benutze auf dem Handy mobil Firefox klar. Dort fehlte der Button.

@Billie @lauteshirn @koyu @hermlon im normalen Firefox mobile fehlt er auch. Im Destokmodus ist er da.
@ulrichkelber
Ist es rechtens dass der anonymen Statistiknutzung widersprochen und nicht eingewilligt werden muss?

@Bobo_PK @Billie @lauteshirn @koyu @hermlon Aktuell ist das die Situation, ja. Ein Teil unserer im Januar(!) gestarteten Konsultation ist es, die Frage der Anonymisierung rechtlich neu zu betrachten. Wobei anonymisierte Mobilfunkdaten tatsächlich für eine Reihe von Prozessoptimierungen geeignet sind. Aber die Auswertung und Bewertung der eingereichten Stellungnahmen können wir nicht ad-hoc vornehmen.

@lauteshirn @koyu @hermlon
Hängt am Browser...
Gestern auch Probleme gehabt mit Chrome Mobile und Safari.
Firefox Mobile ging ohne Probleme.
Desktop Browser hab ich auch noch keine negative Rückmeldung bekommen.

@Herbert_Rindfleisch
Im Desktopmodus hat es funktioniert (Firefox Preview).
@koyu @hermlon

@hermlon @koyu
Ja und für Eplus und Aldi Talk...

@hermlon @koyu
Diese Anbieter sollte die Abmeldung über den Telefonicalink funktionieren... für den fall das nicht bitte Rückmeldung...
O2
Blau.de
Fonic
Tchibo mobil
Ortel Mobile
Netzclub
TürkeiSIM
K-Classic Mobil (Kaufland)

@eutektoid @koyu In that case you must have used both links in quick succession. Looks like the opt-in/opt-out state is shared. I entered two numbers using one link, then tried the same a couple of minutes later using the second link. Here I only managed to (re)register the first number--for the second I saw a message stating "You've already opted out".

@grishka @koyu I guess it isn't but nobody cares 😢 The big companies all don't care about the GDPR because you can make very much money with selling the data and the risk that anyone takes action against it seems to be pretty low 😕 Just have a look at some of the big German websites.Not one of them is GDPR compliant: They *must* ask before embedding trackers with cookies but they actually load them before they ask and it makes no difference if you click ok or not.

@nipos @grishka @koyu Have a look at article 3 of the #GDPR: https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/
W.r.t. cookies: Some are necessary (and therefore allowed), some are not. And I sincerely doubt that "big German websites" (still) don't care, because they risk *hefty* fines. Check the respective privacy policies...

@grishka @koyu
I'm pretty sure it's not.

@meet_judith @Gargron i'm at mobilcom/debitel so these are affected as well (and i have heard about blau on the telefonica side)

@Jonly @koyu same :/ Link to opt-out isn’t there

@schokopflaster @koyu try landscape mode.
It appeared for me then

@Jonly @koyu Didn’t work unfortunately. But after 3 tries I now have to wait 24hrs to try again. What a nightmare of a web service.

@schokopflaster
Try using the desktop version of the website. That should work better for e.g. FF.
@Jonly @koyu

@schokopflaster @Jonly @koyu Did you forget to strip the local/international prefix (0049/0)? It worked for me afterwards (you'll receive a SMS right away) ...

@m_ueberall @Jonly @koyu Nah, the SMS thing worked for me. They just never showed the „abmelden“ button.

@schokopflaster @m_ueberall @Jonly if you try to opt-out from the telekom you don't have an "abmelden" button. once you sent the code from the sms to the website it will be opt-out automatically. the "opt-out" is just an anonymization of the data anyway so yes, data will still be collected.

@koyu @m_ueberall @Jonly Yeah, telekom worked fine for me. (Unfortunately I‘m not with Telekom but E-Plus/Aldi Talk/Telefonica so I absolutely don’t know whether the Telekom opt out is sufficient or not.)

@angristan @koyu DLF radio mentioned it. They check whether the people stay indoors as demanded by processing the gps profiles of the mobiles. Is is official.